Session Start (ICQ - 67438124:sarenger): Sun Dec 09 17:22:58 2001
[17:45:17] code html 4 food: hi, I'm michel v, the webmaster of CafeLog.com
 
 I e-mailed you and your host. Please take down that layout. Thanks.
Session Close (sarenger): Sun Dec 09 17:45:27 2001


Session Start (ICQ - 67438124:sarenger): Mon Dec 10 03:51:10 2001
Session Close (sarenger): Mon Dec 10 03:51:18 2001


Session Start (ICQ - 67438124:sarenger): Mon Dec 10 03:53:04 2001
[03:53:14] code html 4 food: hi, please check your e-mail :)
[03:57:30] sarenger: um...hi i emailed someone about this - micheal(something)@aol.com and he said i could use the picture ...obviously it was the wrong address so im taking it down now ^_^ sorry for anything
[03:57:52] code html 4 food: i don't have an @aol.com address
[03:58:09] code html 4 food: and it is listed right on cafelog.com that the address is m@tidakada.com
[03:58:57] sarenger: umm....that's where i e mailed it to --i got the address of dodo's message board....so i don't know what happened and im not lying here.  im really sorry about this
[04:00:30] code html 4 food: next time, please take 1 second to check who you ask permission to... my profile says dieu@paradis.com
[04:00:58] code html 4 food: can you forward me the e-mail that the person sent you ? i got some e-scolding to do with that person
[04:01:08] sarenger: look, i don't know what i can do besides take the layout down - which i am doing right this minute an apologise
[04:01:27] sarenger: i don't have the e mail 
i will check my sent items and deleted mail folders though
[04:01:32] code html 4 food: it's ok. i'd just like the e-mail of that person who gave you permission on my behalf
[04:01:42] sarenger: okay
[04:04:35] sarenger: look - i don't have his e mail address - i will check his IP and then get his e mail from there
[04:04:48] code html 4 food: you can't get his address from the IP
[04:04:55] code html 4 food: AOL IP is dynamic
[04:05:23] sarenger: i thought i had your permission to use it, so i used it and now i am loosing all web credibility because of this
[04:05:25] sarenger: that's great - his computer IP i was talking about
[04:05:29] code html 4 food: well, I'd like you to also make a 'genuine' style instead of copying the way the text and links are done
[04:06:32] sarenger: ummm.....huh? i did this layout before i got the picture and i just added the picture - im sorry if it is similar to yours but im sure if it had a different picture then you wouldn't be -rightly so- scolding me
[04:06:51] sarenger: just because my style is similar to yours DOES NOT mean that i STOLE this layout from you
[04:07:24] sarenger: also - i thought i had permission to use this and am very regretful but as i said, i thought i had permission - the picture just seemed to fit the layout
[04:07:34] code html 4 food: uhm, how could you have the IP of the person by the way ?
[04:08:35] code html 4 food: if you don't have his e-mail anymore ?
[04:08:39] sarenger: one of my friends can do this - computer wizard - he can get thorugh hotmails stuff and check it out.  
[04:09:16] sarenger: also - everyone leaves electrontic "footprints" duh - so then if i can find the resolving IP from where the mail was sent i can track him down
[04:09:56] code html 4 food: ok, so your friend got his IP address ? when ? why ?
[04:10:29] sarenger: and if you dont trust me - then that's fine - but i did this the right way - and i had permission - at the moment it is all i can do until i get the original resolving IP and then get his e mail
[04:10:37] code html 4 food: it's not that I don't want to believe you, it's just that you give weird explanations
[04:10:54] code html 4 food: you told me you had the IP
[04:11:09] code html 4 food: oops no
[04:11:14] sarenger: well, they're true, so it sounds like you don't want me to believe you and I never said i had is IP i said i would get my friend to get it
[04:11:23] code html 4 food: but how could you check his ip if you don't have his e-mail anymore,,actually ?
[04:11:54] sarenger: also - everyone leaves electrontic "footprints" duh - so then if i can find the resolving IP from where the mail was sent i can track him down
[04:12:08] sarenger: exactly what i said before
[04:12:11] code html 4 food: please explain that more clearly
[04:12:23] code html 4 food: how could you find the IP ?
[04:12:29] code html 4 food: if you don't have the mail ?
[04:12:46] code html 4 food: please, tell me what you call "footprints" ?
[04:14:02] sarenger: everything is logged in a computer - you can't delete it but you can access it. i don't know how to do this but my friend does.  he can access this file, find all incoming IP's to my address and then we file through them
[04:14:27] code html 4 food: the incoming IP he would find, is your mailserver's IP
[04:14:44] code html 4 food: the IP of the sender is sent with the headers of the message
[04:14:46] sarenger: incoming IP = ones other than mine
[04:15:00] sarenger: i have advanced headers disabled
[04:15:06] code html 4 food: it is not like his IP ever was incoming to yours
[04:15:22] code html 4 food: headers are sent anyway, and when you delete the mail, they're gone too.
[04:15:30] sarenger: ...um actually for things to be sent, they have to have an incoming and resolving IP
[04:16:09] code html 4 food: yes, but it doesn't work like his IP -> your computer
[04:16:25] code html 4 food: it's his IP -> your mailserver -> a text file in your computer
[04:16:46] sarenger: his e mail + his IP goes to my computer, all incoming and resolving IP's are logged
[04:17:15] sarenger: look, i am going to go and get my friend, when i come back he can talk all hacker stuff to you and i can take "your" layout down
[04:17:15] code html 4 food: you don't understand. when you fetch mail, the ONLY incoming IP is your webserver
[04:18:09] code html 4 food: it's not hacker stuff, it's just basic mailserver<>client interaction
[04:18:32] sarenger: to get the IP's is hacker stuff - now i am going to get him
[04:18:47] sarenger: i will be on, but off
[04:19:09] code html 4 food: to get the IP he rightclicks on the e-mail and sees the advanced headers in 'properties'
[04:19:29] code html 4 food: even if you disabled 'advanced headers'
[04:20:03] code html 4 food: but that's the further it goes. he can't open a deleted mail
[04:21:05] sarenger: look, why are you hassling me? i thought i had permission but it was from the wrong person, maybe i was a bit niave in thinking you would understand
[04:21:22] sarenger: i did this the right way and im sorry that it all got mixed up
[04:21:35] sarenger: be right back
[04:22:23] code html 4 food: well, that's a petty argument anyway.
 
 I'm just surprised you found a @aol.com addy of my name on dodo's board, this is just unbelievable, and that an unknown person replied "yeah you got permission" while they probably don't know what they're dealing with, is weird, and that all of a sudden these e-mails got deleted, is fantastically weird. now, i'm open to forgive that, but i'm not believing your explanation at all
[04:23:14] sarenger: here he is now...
[04:23:27] sarenger: .........hello?
[04:23:34] code html 4 food: yeah ?
[04:23:45] sarenger: um - wat happened?
[04:23:52] code html 4 food: if he manages to even find the IP, he would find an AOL IP, which he couldn't trace.
[04:24:11] sarenger: umm....i can trace aol ip's
[04:24:26] sarenger: i am sarah's friend and i want 2 no wat happened
[04:24:35] code html 4 food: please trace mine and tell me what my aol e-mail is
[04:24:54] sarenger: huh?
[04:25:01] sarenger: y r u being a smart ass?
[04:25:13] code html 4 food: sarah's friend, please read a bit above, sarah says you can find the IP of an e-mail she deleted
[04:25:30] code html 4 food: and that from that IP, which is the IP of an AOL user, you can find the e-mail of that person
[04:25:43] sarenger: yes
[04:25:45] sarenger: i can
[04:25:50] sarenger: and stop being rude 2 me
[04:26:06] code html 4 food: then please trace mine. i'm not being rude, sorry if you think i am
[04:26:32] sarenger: um....it says up there that u don't have an aol address so how i am supposed to trace it?
[04:26:33] code html 4 food: so i told her to trace my ip, since i'm on aol, and tell me what my aol e-mail is
[04:26:44] code html 4 food: i technically have 3 of them, my accounts
[04:26:49] sarenger: huh?
[04:26:49] code html 4 food: but i'm not using aol e-mail
[04:27:00] sarenger: so if u have an aol address, wats the problem?
[04:27:14] sarenger: no offence but u r lost
[04:27:22] code html 4 food: i'm lost in her explanation...
[04:27:38] sarenger: okay: here is how i understand it - she made layout
[04:27:39] code html 4 food: look, my IP right now is 172.188.203.197
[04:27:47] sarenger: you have good picture for her layout
[04:27:53] sarenger: thanks...anyway
[04:28:16] code html 4 food: i have a picture and then... please go on
[04:28:18] sarenger: she ask "u" for picture
[04:28:23] sarenger: "u" say yes
[04:28:26] sarenger: she take picture
[04:28:28] sarenger: u complain
[04:28:52] sarenger: now...wat is the real problem?
[04:29:20] sarenger: ..................?
[04:29:35] code html 4 food: the problem is mysteriously she doesn't remember the e-mail addy of the person she asked it to, and surprisingly the e-mails they exchanged are not there anymore
[04:29:53] sarenger: umm...rite, i can trace that
[04:30:18] code html 4 food: and that she tells me you can find his IP and find his e-mail address from it
[04:30:33] sarenger: it isn't that uncommon 4 ppl to 
[04:30:37] code html 4 food: so i'm very surprised, as aol doesn't provide static IP
[04:31:01] code html 4 food: so as a demonstration, i'd like you to find my aol e-mail address, now that you have my ip
[04:31:44] code html 4 food: i'd be very surprised to see such a thing done, and you could have all my respect for the hundred next years
[04:32:06] *** sarenger signed off at Mon Dec 10 04:32:06 2001.
[04:32:28] *** sarenger signed on at Mon Dec 10 04:32:28 2001.
[04:33:03] sarenger: rite...
[04:33:14] sarenger: um, i dont want ur respect coz u r an ass
[04:33:24] sarenger: but i want u to stop messing with sarah
[04:33:40] code html 4 food: who's messing with who, in the first place ?
[04:33:43] sarenger: now...i will track this guy down and give sarah his e mail
[04:34:14] sarenger: u r messing with her, she thought she had ur permission, turns out she didn't so wat? u cant forgive her?
[04:34:49] code html 4 food: i can forgive, i told her. but i just can't believe the explanation about the aol.com guy and the possibility of finding the e-mail addy of someone from an IP
[04:35:23] sarenger: rite, well i have done it b4 and ill do it again, but i dunn wan ur e mail addy so wats the problem?
[04:35:30] sarenger: and no, i dont think u did tell her
[04:35:52] code html 4 food: it's not a problem of you wanting my e-mail, it's just that i'd like to see it done, and then only would i believe in her explanation
[04:35:59] sarenger: u can find it
[04:36:12] sarenger: riiiiite
[04:36:16] code html 4 food: it's like i say "i can spit to the moon" and then say "but i'm tired tonight, come back tomorrow to see that"
[04:36:47] sarenger: well, i ll put her on and look thru her log files
[04:36:47] sarenger: look
[04:36:47] sarenger: ur cynical
[04:36:49] sarenger: and it can b done
[04:37:21] code html 4 food: i just gave you MY ip, so you don't have to search for an ip
[04:37:36] sarenger: if i said someone could hack into the CIA agency then u would believe it rite? but u wouldn;t believe that they could do it. and u r also being rather discriminatry because she did something u dont like and she did it the rite way
[04:38:08] code html 4 food: i forgive her. i still don't believe the explanation
[04:38:13] sarenger: and because u dont like her, or the fact that she cant explain it any better than she has, then u b impossibly stubborn
[04:38:49] code html 4 food: i'm no stubborn. you tell me you can find an e-mail from an ip, so i give you my ip
[04:38:58] code html 4 food: and you don't find my e-mail ?
[04:39:11] sarenger: i cant b stuffed
[04:39:26] sarenger: ur a waste of my time as it is
[04:39:28] code html 4 food: yeah, just like i can't be arsed to spit to the moon ?
[04:39:37] sarenger: im just doin this for sarah
[04:40:42] sarenger: it'd take a looooot of engery for someone to spit on the moon because of a little thing called "gravity"
[04:41:11] code html 4 food: yeah, just like it takes a lot of skills for someone to find an e-mail from an ip
[04:41:17] sarenger: it is a physical incapability 4 u to spit on the moon anyway - even if u were on it, u would b kissing the dirt
[04:41:30] sarenger: it doesnt take a lot of skill 2 spit
[04:41:33] sarenger: and i have skill
[04:41:36] sarenger: now fuck off
[04:42:00] code html 4 food: ok, i still believe sarah is a liar and you say you got sills that you don't. bye bye.
[04:42:24] sarenger: hang on...u said u forgive her...correct?
[04:42:39] sarenger: if i track this guys IP and his e mail, then i want that in writing on ur webpage
[04:43:15] code html 4 food: i forgive her. but does that include believing in the unbelievable thing that she deleted the e-mail, lost the addy, and that you could find an e-mail from a DYNAMICALLY ALLOCATED ip ?
[04:43:44] sarenger: um, im not going to find it from a dynamic ip, im going to find it from the resolving and incoming ip's....
[04:44:13] code html 4 food: i wouldn't believe you until you find my e-mail. you could just tell me the e-mail of someone you know on aol
[04:44:14] sarenger: how hard is it to believe that she forgot the email address and deleted the email? i've deleted many emails in my time
[04:45:07] code html 4 food: so if we take a simple case study: my ip, we should logically find my e-mail address ?
[04:45:17] code html 4 food: and it would be proved
[04:45:31] sarenger: ...wat can i do 
im not wasting my tine on u
[04:45:39] code html 4 food: * Resolved ACBCCBC5.ipt.aol.com to 172.188.203.197
[04:45:54] sarenger: how nice
[04:45:59] code html 4 food: now if from that data you can find MY e-mail address, then do not waste time searching the other e-mail
[04:46:03] code html 4 food: because i would believe you
[04:46:06] code html 4 food: i really would
[04:47:11] sarenger: ok then, i hav 2 go neway, ill find it 4 u
[04:47:15] sarenger: bye
[04:47:27] *** sarenger signed off at Mon Dec 10 04:47:27 2001.
[04:47:29] code html 4 food: bye. i'm looking forward to seeing my own e-mail addy